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We say "the same", but "different" (no article)? A student asked me this question, and I wasn't sure how to answer him. Thanks for your help!

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  • Funnily enough I can't think of a single sentence where you wouldn't pair the word "same" with the word "the". It's not correct to say "a same"... – Mark Mar 12 '15 at 17:55
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    We do say *This is **the same** usage, but that is **a different** usage*. I'd say that's because there's only "one thing" which is ***the*** same, so it can be *specifically* identified. But there are lots of "other, different things", so we use the somewhat vaguer *indefinite* article to reference one of them. Contrast *"I don't want the same thing. I want **the** other one"*, as opposed to *"I want **another** one"*. – FumbleFingers Mar 12 '15 at 18:04
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    If your student is a non-native speaker, just tell them that this *[same](http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/same)* is a pronoun, but *[different](http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/different)* is an adjective. If that doesn't work because they have no idea what pronouns and adjectives are, it will be a great time for them to start learning grammar! If that doesn't work because they want to know why one is a pronoun and the other is an adjective, you can pretend to give up and say "It's because", and ask about some oddities in their first language. ;-) – Damkerng T. Mar 12 '15 at 18:41
  • English is not the only language where this is so. French and Spanish has it too. German does not- there is not article when saying something is the same versus saying something is different. Those are the only languages with which I am familiar (though rusty). I want to think it is a Latin versus Germanic/Teutonic thing and tied to the origins of the words- different is Latin and same is Norse. Just same "same difference" and you can use the article for both. ; ) – Gary Mar 12 '15 at 18:56
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    @DamkerngT. - That should be an answer; you've unlocked the mystery. The counterpart to _different_ is the adjective _alike_: _These two cars are different, but those two cars are alike_. – J.R. Mar 12 '15 at 22:55

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Because the same is short for the same {noun}.

Quite a few modifiers can function as nouns if the is put in front of them, with the "real" noun being implied if there is one. Use of the article "the" signals that it's a noun (pronoun in the case of same).

Of course, if you use a/an, the noun needs to be explicit.

The sick [people] among us must be helped.

The sinful [followers] must be called to atone for their sins.

Don't throw out the bad [whatever] with the good [whatever].

Please do the needful [actions].

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    Just to note that I'd never heard the phrase "please do the needful" until I joined ELL - this is after 55 years as a native speaker - & it still sounds **so** not English. – DoneWithThis. Mar 12 '15 at 20:52
  • @Tetsujin I still haven't encountered "Please do the needful." – Ben Kovitz Mar 12 '15 at 23:40
  • What does your answer have to do with the OP's question? E.g. *"The boys are the same"* versus *"The boys are different"*. Notice that the PCs can't be expanded into NPs, e.g. \* _"The boys are the same boys"_. – F.E. Mar 13 '15 at 04:15
  • "The boys are the same person?" or "The boys are the same child?" – LawrenceC Mar 13 '15 at 04:17
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    But that's not what "the same" means here; it means that the boys have similar attributes, not that they are the same boys/persons. -- That is, "the same" seems to be an adjective phrase (not a NP). – F.E. Mar 13 '15 at 04:17
  • Ahh ... good point there. I did not consider that. – LawrenceC Mar 13 '15 at 04:19
  • I suspect that the "the" here, in "the same", might be a bit uglier to explain. There are some "the"s that don't function as a determiner, but rather, they function as a modifier. This might be one of those cases (and there might be some historical stuff involved here too, maybe). – F.E. Mar 13 '15 at 04:22
  • @Tetsujin please visit India! (copy: Ben) :P – Maulik V Mar 13 '15 at 05:00
  • @F.E. Do you think *the same* might be one word? We don't seem to be able to modify *same*. [In the phrase *the very same* the meaning of *same* is different. Compare "they are the same" and "they are the very same".] – Araucaria - Not here any more. Mar 13 '15 at 11:27
  • @Araucaria That could be one way to treat it. The expression appears to function differently at times (and so, perhaps maybe two different expressions). Consider *"The boys are the same"*, where "the same" seems comparable to an AdjP (not a NP), where maybe it acts as a single grammatical word, similar to *"The boys are tall"*; ... – F.E. Mar 13 '15 at 18:43
  • @Araucaria (cont) and compare it to *"The boys who took your dog and the boys who damaged your car are the same (boys)"*, where "the same" might not be a single whole constituent/phrase, but rather two separate elements (Det + Adj) of a NP (fused head). But I'm talking off the top of my head, with no daily coffee yet. *CGEL* discusses this, if I recall correctly. It's a messy topic, imo, all the different uses of "the". Maybe someone who has the time and resources might explain this. – F.E. Mar 13 '15 at 18:49